Super Garbage Day - Episode 102: Harvester (PC)

I am going to be really upfront about this game; it's the most effed up, grotesque, disturbing, and campy game we have come across in the show's history. With that said, hit play and have fun with us!

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SPEAKER_03 0:08

Welcome to Super Garbage JO Retro Video Game Review Show where my co-host and I play a game 20 years or older that you, the listener, chooses. Every episode we randomly pick a game submitted by the community to play, kindly dissect, and then das ski us. I almost got through that perfectly, but nope, I'd screw up at the end. Welcome to episode 102. I'm your host, B. Ross, not Steve, also known as Charlie Coleslaw on Twitch. And with me today is the lovely and powerful Mr. Miller. Mr. Miller. All right, buddy. I've got a segment today for you, and it's gonna be a little ridiculous. I know you don't have any idea what I'm about to uh present, but I just have to ask, are you ready?

SPEAKER_01 0:54

I'm ready.

SPEAKER_03 0:56

Okay. Today's segment's called Is This Real Slang or BS. How the segment's gonna work is I'm going to uh say a new slang word, and I will use it in a sentence, and I want you first to tell me what you think it means, and then second, tell me if it's real new slang from these gen alpha z's alphas, or if it's complete BS. How's that sound?

SPEAKER_02 1:36

So is this for for our Gen Z or Alpha listeners? If we have any, is this on God or Cap?

SPEAKER_03 1:44

Uh, don't know what those words mean, but um, I'm sure I didn't realize that you were so fluent in Taiwanese, but um, yeah, it's it's all those things. It's it's cappy snappy, you know. It sucks because we're old and lame now. But you know, I'm trying to keep up with it, and so let's test you and see if this is an actual new slang word, or it's completely made up. Are you ready for the first one? All right, let's go. All right, the first slang word is catching print. Catching print, catching print.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Can you use it in a sentence? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:27

I was catching print all day long at the park. I'm gonna say that's BS. Well, hold on. Tell me at first what you think it means, and then tell me you think it's BS.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Well, I mean, I could see it meaning like uh getting the news or dropping them eaves.

SPEAKER_03 2:52

Not exactly, but do you think it's a real or fake slang term? I I mean I've I've never fucking heard it, so I'm I'm just gonna say BS. Alright. Survey shows it's real. And let me explain to you what it is. Catching print is the act of seeing the outline of a man's dick through his sweatpants or just shorts.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

Okay, I I I I did recently hear the term dick print. Yeah, so it's just catching print means that you're seeing you're seeing dick prints. All right, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 3:31

Um uh fair. All right. Next. Number two, busting nucks. That's busting nucks. Well, I mean, that sounds like that sounds like getting into a fight. Well, let me say it in a sentence. I was sick of his bad attitudes, so we ended up busting Nux. I mean, I that sounds like something I would say. Alright, well, is it fake or real? I'm gonna say real. It is fake. I made it up. Woo! I I'm a wordsmith.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

I mean, it makes more sense than catch-in-print.

SPEAKER_03 4:18

Fair enough. But I think the more the more obtuse they are, probably the more likely they are to be real. All right, moving on to the third one. Parker LARPing. Parker LARPing. Yes, and let me use this in a sentence. She was so into him, she was Parker LARPing the entire trip.

SPEAKER_02 4:42

I'm gonna say that's real, and it's ref referencing some sort of uh celebrity that I'm not familiar with, but it's like catching feels or like uh like trying to get with somebody.

SPEAKER_03 4:59

Well, it turns out it's made up, and I don't even have an explanation for it. So, yeah, no idea. All right, going the next one, sorry, going full hank. Going full hank. I'll use it in a sentence. He was so obsessed with this new stupid hobby that he kept going full hank.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

I'm gonna say that's like going hank hill with it, where you're like all in it's propane or nothing, and it's real.

SPEAKER_03 5:34

All right, survey shows also fake. So this is a really difficult game. Don't worry, we got two more left. It's okay, you can still get a couple points here. Ready? All right, bass maxing or base. Sorry, base maxing.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

Oh, I'm okay. So base maxing would be like like being as basic or uh like normal as possible. I do know maxing is this like trying to that's a new term, yeah. Emulate emulate that uh stereotype as much as possible. So I know that at least part of that is real.

SPEAKER_03 6:27

Well, sir, I mean, I don't know how to score this because you're kind of right, but also I made it up because maxing is not really fair because maxing is a new term actually used right now by like Gen Alpha and Gen Z's about like I think they took it from the idea of men maxing, right? Like from RPGs to where okay, so people are like looks maxing, where they're trying their best to look absolutely as good as they can at the discrepancy of everything else.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

I I'm in my sun maxing era where they're just like trying to get as much sun as possible.

SPEAKER_03 6:58

Yeah, well, well, bass maxing was fake.

SPEAKER_02 7:01

All right, here comes the last one. Is is is Hank Parker involved? Oh hey!

SPEAKER_03 7:08

He figured it out, everybody. He figured out Parker LARPing, going full Hank, and Bass Maxing. Oh my god. Play the music. One of the most intricate Bass's Black Pass jokes I possibly have constructed thus far.

SPEAKER_02 7:29

I'm catching on to your games, boy.

SPEAKER_03 7:32

A little bit. Alright, here's the last one.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

I I I gotta let you get them get them in before I call it out.

SPEAKER_03 7:42

You probably saw uh you uh probably with uh going full hank. That was probably a dead giveaway, but I don't know. That was a good one. I might even start using these terms. Um at least I think going full hank.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

You know that's that's what I was thinking. I was like, I I think we just came up with a new uh sling term.

SPEAKER_03 7:58

Listen, if you hear people saying going full hank, oh these this fool's going full hank on this on this on this chick or uh on these nachos, uh, we it was invented here right now on this show. So we will be getting our royalties. I don't care. All right, last one. Currently you have a score of 0.5.

SPEAKER_02 8:17

So well, if you could speak properly and and uh say uh bass instead of bass maxing, maybe maybe I would have gotten that.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

You know, I realize I was like, oh shh, he's gonna get that one because I said I said bass at first. Yeah. The whole point the whole plan was for me to like pretend like I mess it up and be like, oh no, bass. Sorry. Or no, I mean bass, you know, but I figured at that point you were you were I know you're not illiterate, so you'd be surprised. Um all right, last and final one. Real sling or BS. I'm just gonna say the sentence. She goes full Colorado campfire after first dates, the term being Colorado campfire.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

I don't even want to know what that means. What that I said I don't even want to know what that means, but um that that can't be real. If it's real, then what the fuck is going on?

SPEAKER_03 9:19

All right, and survey says it is real. Um, if you want to know what that means, just look it up in Urban Dictionary. I'm not gonna say it live, it is pretty intense. Um, so at the end of this segment, Mr. Miller. And that and now I'm looking it up. Oh, yeah. I just want to hear your reaction. Are you looking that up? So, yeah, it's uh it's out there. But this is gonna be an out there episode.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

So that doesn't make any sense. It does, you know, depending on which description you're looking at.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

Colorado the the the the are you looking at just you know, like uh one of them or are the uh sexual act?

SPEAKER_02 10:07

It's definitely a sexual act, yes, it is, but that uh but that doesn't make any sense calling it a Colorado campfire.

SPEAKER_03 10:17

I didn't come up with it, somebody else did. Hey, don't don't don't uh don't butcher the uh messenger here.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

I I will flay you upon the mini sins of our fathers. And it'll still not be as bad as the game we're about to review.

SPEAKER_03 10:35

Oh my good lord. Oof, yeah, we'll get to that. But before we get to that, ladies and gentlemen, um, you know, 0.5 is the final score for Mr. Miller and uh real slanger BS, which means he's ancient and out of touch and can run for the executive branch. All right, so what's new in the land of Super Garbage Day Incorporated? Well, I'm coming along nicely in the Master System quest. I'm on game 56, which means I'm halfway done with the North American Library. I probably said this before, which means I'm still in the same game. And that that game I'm currently on is Fantasy Star, the first one, and I am thoroughly enjoying it. So if you want to check that out, I'm on Twitch, Charlie Coleslaw. Come say hi, come hang out. I'm just beating every Sega Master System game ever released in North America, and I'm playing it on the actual cartridge on a real old school 1986 master system that I hope to God can survive the entire thing because it's pushing, you know, it's old enough to get a senior discount. Oh, all right.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Um, I actually I actually have an announcement. Oh, what is it? Go ahead. Um, you can cut this out if you want. I'm not going to know.

SPEAKER_03 11:51

I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

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SPEAKER_03 12:54

Um, but you also have glorious facial hair, so you are you're definitely the person to to take the advice from.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

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SPEAKER_03 13:27

So that's excellent, yeah. Um, I mean, I'm I'm interested, so you know, let me let me try some of it. I got a big beard. Yeah, I'll hook you. I'll hook you up, man. Excellent. So if you want a beard max, hit the link up below and support your local Mr. Miller.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

We uh we beard max it over here.

SPEAKER_03 13:47

We beard maxing it, we're bass maxing it too. So we're going full hank on our beards. So just remember, if you don't like this, we can go we can go be busting nuts. All right. So don't be such a Parker LARP. Alright. Now it's time for the famous retro question of the week. Masked Keaton asks. A lot of K's in there phonetically. What are some of your favorite visuals in video games? Best scenery, coolest magical effort, etc. What has made your eyes pop? He then goes to say, for me, the first time I played Dead Rising and saw the sheer number of zombies in the mall at the same time, it felt overwhelmingly horrifying and it blew my mind. I remember that when that came out on 360. That was like a big I think that was almost like a needle mover there for the system, because that was we've not seen anything like that up until that point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

That was that was one of the games that made me rebuild my PC because it actually it killed my graphics card. Uh, there was a moment where all of a sudden I was like, well, because this was this was early in like everyone knew every little thing about games before they even came out. And so, like, you know, if you were an early adopter of a game, you're just like, guys, do you see what I see? Because I all of a sudden just saw like these black tentacles just extending out of this horde. And I was like, what is that? And they're like, we don't see that. And then I later found out I was like, oh, that was my graphics card dying.

SPEAKER_03 15:33

Meanwhile, your graphics card is on smoking, like frying egg on it.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

It was literally like I went and like looked at my uh um my stat logger for my heat and everything, and it was just like, oh, no, it was literally on fire for a hot second because there were you know two 200 plus sprites on the screen, and they're not sprites, they're fully rendered zombies.

SPEAKER_03 16:05

Bro, I know, and it's it's crazy that the 360 was able to pull that off like yeah, pretty fluidly.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

By by the way, if if you if you have a harder time than usual, because I don't have my normal just allergy cough, I'm I am recovering from a cold, so actually I did notice that, so maybe it's a a blessing in disguise.

SPEAKER_03 16:27

I don't know. Okay, not as an editor, I'm just saying in general. I'm glad that you're uh I I don't like you to be sick, but you know, at least you know we got a little break from the the allergy cough, which is the worst. I'm I'm actually experiencing that right now too because the pollen is so bad, and my tonsils will itch. And when my tonsils itch, I yeah, uh it's the worst, dude.

SPEAKER_02 16:48

The tree comes all in your face, up in your oars, throats, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:53

Just getting raped by trees. Yes, okay, Jesus Christ. Yes, and it's coming. We're not even halfway there yet. The the pollen pocalypse is going to be upon us very soon.

SPEAKER_02 17:06

Oh, yeah, and you're you're down you're down there in uh ground zero grass capital of the world. Yeah. Uh I mean well, I'm I'm dealing with all the uh uh cherry blossoms around here right now, and I'm just like, oh, you're pretty, but I hate you.

SPEAKER_03 17:24

You're pretty, but you destroy me. Oh, what are you, an ex? All right. So that's actually not a rip at anybody. That's just a stupid man joke. Um yeah. Dead rising is a great example of like kind of a paradigm shift of technology too in video games, where you're like, oh, there's we there's a lot of uh uh this capacity now to have some crazy shit going on in our video games. Whoa, we can do this, yeah. Except for you know, when your graphics card has got tentacles exploding out of it in the game and on it.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

So that's hey, it it it was a great experience.

SPEAKER_03 18:02

It was that's a great game. Rankers foe adds to the question of the week saying, for beauty, the most recent was Horizon Forbidden West. Just seeing the natural world's forest and land masses forming around the old ruins of iconic cities like San Francisco and Las Vegas was awesome enough. But then they wowed me with a getting full aerial view of everything once you fly up on the road robot pterodactyl for something scary, it would be Freelancer. Oh, that's a throwback game there. Specifically, the first time I flew into a nebula or cloud, and it was pure empty darkness as far as I can see. Double the fear if a dog fight broke out and there were asteroids floating around and you couldn't see until too late. Wow, man. Freelancer is a okay. So, Mike, I know I just okay, totally just doxxed you, but I remember all of us being super into that game at the same time, and that was uh Mike and Marcus and I loved Freelancer. Um, but yeah, I have never played the horizon games. I just haven't I don't own a PS5, or you know, I didn't have like a computer that could run it. I don't even know if it's released.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

Well, nobody does because they're almost$700 now.

SPEAKER_03 19:13

Yeah, well, that's just the RAM. But uh, are you talking about PS5s? Oh yeah, well, that that's going up. Uh PS5, yeah. Uh they're for now, they're$700. But yeah, I I can't speak on Horizon, but you know, Freelancer actually was one of the most impressive games for the time it came out, and uh actually a big hidden gem, and I think that was on the list. I don't know, I don't think it was, but might have been on the the the wheel of retro, but not now, anyways. Uh Mr. Miller, have you played Horizon or Freelancer?

SPEAKER_02 19:45

Um, I I play played Horizon Zero Dawn. I haven't played the new one. Um, and that it is it's a pretty game. Uh I I love I love my robot dinosaurs. Anything dinosaurs, I'm just like, uh, give me that shit.

SPEAKER_03 20:01

Especially robotic, right? Yeah, hell yeah. I want to try it, but I just don't have uh the means to. I'll get around to it eventually when the world sends me a PS5.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

I'm I'm I'm certain I have played Freelancer. It doesn't like ring a bell, but it sounds like mini a space sim that I've played.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

Yeah, it's cool. It's it's pretty much like it's it's a simulator if you were like a spice trader, pretty much in Star Wars ultimately.

SPEAKER_02 20:32

I I I I played a lot of the X series, um, which is very similar where you you you have options, and then I am one of those people that's still hanging on for uh the uh Star Citizen. Oh god, are you an early investor? Uh I mean I have I have two ships, but I will say um the single player game is coming out this year, at least from what the devs have said.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

Well, Silk Song came out and apparently uh GTA 6. So hopefully this will just complete the bingo card of games that should have already been out. Yeah. All right. Well, moving right along, Florida's best Keith also adds an answer. Says, I think for me, the last time I was in awe was Xenoblade Chronicles for the Wii. When you first go out into Gore Planes. Gar? Gore? Gar Gar Planes. It wasn't because G-A-U-R. Yeah, I think it's Gar because I'm thinking of GWAR. So if you put it like a W.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Yeah, it's yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 21:43

Yeah, you're right. It wasn't because it was amazing scenery, which it is. It is it was because I have been told ad nauseum for years that the Wii couldn't do anything like I was seeing, it blew me away. Another game I've not played or really know anything about, but

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Like that the that game is the first bro party simular simulator before uh um Final Fantasy, what was it, 15? Where you were just like a bunch of dudes in a car.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

Yeah, that's which is like uh one of the biggest selling points for me to want to play any Final Fantasy game. Like, where you just hang out with your boys and just drive around in like this like convertible?

SPEAKER_02 22:21

Like, no, it was it was it was so funny. I didn't play it, I was just watching my roommate play it, and there there was a moment where he got an armor set for everybody that had like a synergy where it was basically just swimsuits, so it was just a bunch of like frat bros just running around in like tank tops and uh uh swim trunks with giant weapons, but it was like the best armor he had, so it was like, yeah, party with the bros.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

Like it was so fucking funny. Isn't there kind of like a almost like a greaser thing in it? I don't know if I'm just remembering or making up memories about the game. I never played it, but uh I remember seeing like screenshots and it felt like I don't know, like Grease.

unknown 23:08

You and the boys.

SPEAKER_02 23:09

Oh, you're talking about you're talking about Final Fantasy XV. Yeah, oh you're talking about Xenobig Xenob ugh the game that yeah, I'm talking about I'm talking about Xenoblade. Oh, okay. How are they not the same game? I uh in 15, you're not wrong. They have like this like souped up uh like convertible hot rod that they just cruise around in. That's dope. Uh the other one is just it's just guys running around in the wilderness in swimwear where I'm just like, yeah, I've I've I've definitely done that over a summer.

SPEAKER_03 23:39

Hell yeah. I'm gonna do more of it this summer. That's gotta drop like 20 pounds. Maybe get a tan, maybe get a bunch of tattoos, and maybe just not you know, somewhere nobody can see me.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

But yeah, I was just like, yeah, just cover yourself in tattoos and immediately you just like it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_03 23:56

I know that's the that's the big appeal of tattoos, is uh people are like, What do you think they're gonna look like when you're older? I'm like, way better than my pale, wrinkly body.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

So yeah, I'd rather I'd rather uh have blown out tattoos than just look like death.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

Have you seen a picture of the original Sailor Jerry like with his shirt off? Yeah, no, he's a hold, he looks cool as shit. Then have you seen a picture of your grandpa with a shirt off? I mean, come on, right? Yeah, also we're brought to you by Sailor Jerry. No, um, yeah, I uh there's a couple games here I need to check out because I'm all about like the aesthetics and like that that wow factor of seeing like wow, this is this looks insane. You you would really like Xenoblade. I probably would as an RPG guy. Is it just on um is that version only on Wii? I think you know what's weird is I think I own this game. That one I think is only on the Wii. Okay. Interesting. I own a Xenoblades game, but I don't know which what it is. There's it came in like a lot. It it excuse me.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

It is um like a big series, yeah. There's a ton of games in it, but um Xenobreak Chronicles is um specifically uh a Wii exclusive, I believe. Just like Crystal, like that. So yeah, well, this one is that was that was Game Hugh, but this one is uh like the premise of it is uh there were two like Titans fighting each other, and they're like locked in this eternal struggle, uh struggle. Use the hard R the hard arm struggle there.

SPEAKER_03 25:38

I I used struggles, these goddamn struggers. Um it's alright. This is the fucking harvester episode. It's it's it's only gonna go worse from here.

SPEAKER_02 25:51

But uh um the whole point of it is like different societies developed on like different parts of the body of these titans. And so so like you like you like grow up on like the back or something, and you like move into like the biceps and the chest. And are they racist against each other?

SPEAKER_03 26:14

Like, hey, you're a backer. Uh a little bit. I'm a glute. Yeah, that's that's what an interesting premise. Yeah, that's actually kind of rad. Um well, it is time to ask you, Mr. Miller. What game absolutely floored you? Well, uh, it it's most recently, it's uh Expedition 33. Oh, you know what? I was just talking to somebody, one of my regulars in my work. He is so in awe over it, and he he's been telling me for a couple days about it, and I'm like, bro, this is a game I'm definitely going to play, so please, no spoilers, I told him, because I it just seems like right up my alley. And so I guess I'll give you the same um, you know, like, don't tell me too much because I it's 100% a game I'm going to play with this year, but go ahead, sir.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Yeah, I I I wouldn't because it it is one of those, like you just you need to experience it, but it's got so much of that old school Final Fantasy Chrono Trigger feel where just like all the biomes are so interesting to look at, and the creature design is just so well done while still feeling like grounded and in the same universe. Um, there is just one spot where I will say where I was just like, wow, they do care still.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

Yet yet human you felt humanity back in the video game industry for a moment.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

Yeah, well, especially once figuring out that this is like it's like a 13-man team that just came out of nowhere out of France. Oh, you mean the people who created the game, the developers? Oh, yeah, but it but like there's a uh a portion where you're like running around in like these planes, it's like stereotypical uh fantasy fair, and then you move into this area that is a coral reef above ground with water that you can breathe, and you still have to walk, but there's all these sea creatures just moving around you, and I was just like, damn, that's cool.

SPEAKER_03 28:28

Oh man, I can't wait to actually play it. Like, to be honest, like I'm I'm hyped on that game to to experience it now that I actually have a computer that can probably run it.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

So oh, and the the soundtrack's so good, yeah, and it's it's gonna make you cry. Really? It's it's devastating. It's a really sad story. Oh god, I love it. I'm even more I'm even more on deck. But it's really funny at times too. Like it, they they they knocked it out of the park. They all the people who are just like they didn't deserve game of the year. I'm just like, um, you don't get to have an opinion.

SPEAKER_03 29:09

As opposed to what though, you know, like what what game should have beat that in your eyes?

SPEAKER_02 29:13

Oh yeah, it's it's on it's the use no nothing should have beat that year.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

I haven't played any of them, so this is not like a I just I'm curious.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

I you have a great pulse and like on the but it's it's the it's it's the usual PlayStation crowd where it's some PlayStation exclusive, it's like the Spider-Man game, or it's like fanboys, where it's just like, okay, well, if you would go out of your lane and play something different, and it's not like it's not, it is a really difficult game if you make it difficult. Okay, like if you want a challenging experience, you can try and do all like the crazy parry mechanics and try and just like be a master of the game. You can also just turn it on tell me a story mode and just blow through it, and I guarantee you you will love it on just tell me a story mode.

SPEAKER_03 30:10

I think I'm gonna do that though, because um I it sounds like a game where I'd I'd I'd much rather just be included, or like I want to be a part of the story and not really like because I hear it's so good, it's one of the best stories it is that's come along in a long time.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

So it's it's very interesting, it's it's it's it's weird, it's got a lot of like like um f philosophical terms, and there's a lot of art and music involved in it, and it's just like it it makes you it's very French in that way, where it's just like I'm out it it's I'm not uh I was about to say something, but um this is the Harvard episode.

SPEAKER_03 30:55

You can say whatever you want.

SPEAKER_02 30:57

I was just like fuck our current. I I'd rather be French right now than anything like where we're at.

SPEAKER_03 31:04

Yeah, it's that's this is I'd like yeah, it's it's a rough time right now.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

But um no, it it it it it's about the human experience, it's like what makes us human. Oh, that's and that's like something that a lot of games don't touch on very much.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

Well, I'm looking so forward to trying it and playing it because I feel like it's it's uh something that I have to play, and I was hyped on initially. I know I know a little bit of what the plot is, but just enough, like the surface area, the back of the box, you know, to where I'm like, I love this concept and I don't want to read anything else.

SPEAKER_02 31:45

So I'm yeah super down. You'll you'll dig it. Good. It's it's got good good RPG mechanics. Um, it it's got great visuals, it's brutal, um, happy, sad, it's on Wii, it's everything.

SPEAKER_03 32:05

Excellent. I I very much look forward to that. So, all right. Well, you know, initially I had an answer and it was kind of boring, really, because like it's easy to say, you know, Shadow of the Colossus, but I've spoken on this before I realized. Like, I I even explained my first experience with Shadow of the Colossus when it first came out. I had a projector and a surround sound. So me playing that game for the first time was an ex was that was the absolute best way you could play that game. Um, but I've already talked about that before, so I had I actually came up with a second, most more recent example of this happening, and it's in Elden Ring because I've gone hard into Elden Ring now. I was like, No, I'm not gonna let this, I'm I'm gonna play it, get good, and beat this game. And so, you know, I've put a lot of hours in Elden Ring, and there's one specific moment that I did not see coming that blew my mind, and of course, can I guess?

SPEAKER_02 33:01

Yes, was it when you went down a certain elevator? Correct, and there's an entire another world down below, correct, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:12

The the Siofra River. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but I think it's Siofra. But um, yeah, when you when you take that elevator down that you think you're just doing some normal quest or so, you're gonna find some dungeon or something, and it just keeps going and going and going, and you're like, what is going on? And then you start seeing stars in the sky, and you're like, What is this? This is an entire another huge part of the game. Like, it felt like it was opening up, it felt like DLC, it was just so expansive. Yeah, and it blew my blew my mind, dude. So, and what sucks is I don't want to ruin that for somebody else. Like, so I should have put, you know, an uh a spoiler alert if you haven't played Alder Ring, but I guess at this point, well, they don't know what elevator it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:01

But what a crazy moment. That's why I said a certain elevator, and all of a sudden it's just like, oh my god, there's a whole nother box.

SPEAKER_03 34:12

I love how subtle it was, too. They're like, No, just take this elevator, not a big deal, and then boom, look, an entire different part of the game that you were unprepared for. Enjoy and FromSops, they are amazing. I love them. And I finally have a PS4 and Bloodborne. So my plan is some point, maybe in between the master system quest on Twitch, but I want to do something where either when I complete the my mission there, or maybe before, I'm actually gonna do an entire playthrough blind first time of Bloodborne and stream all of it because I've never played it, and I want to experience it, and I want to I want people to be there for that. So that might be happening.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

I allegedly have a way to play it on PC. I just need to find um a certain dot file.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

Ah, gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 35:08

Um, so if anybody can help hook me up with that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:15

I I got a number for you. Um 1-800 FBI. We got him.

SPEAKER_02 35:21

Got him, got him.

SPEAKER_03 35:23

Yeah, no. I mean, if you want to play it though, I I'll I'll gladly just send you the PS4 to borrow with the game. Like, it was free. Somebody gave it to me. A regular gave it to the same regular who was telling me about Expedition 33, is the same guy that gave me his PS4 and Bloodborne because he said, Oh, you never played it? And I was like, I never had a PS4. And so he's like, Here you go, you can have my old PS4 because I just bought a PS5. He was so happy to get a PS4. That's awesome. Oh, yeah, that guy's in my best graces forever now. That is a way to get a bartender on your side for sure.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

That was that was uh like when I used to work at the tap, excuse me, the tap house. Um, I had a regular who worked at um one of the uh uh software development uh companies across the street. I don't know what they did exactly, but they had high-end GPUs. And I was just being like, Yeah, yeah, mine's like getting outdated and it's crapping out. And he's just like, I could get you one. And I was like, what? And he's like, Yeah, no, I like I I can get you something better than what you have. And I was just like, All right, uh I'll believe it when I see it. And literally the next day he just showed up and just dropped GPU off. And he was like, you know, thanks for hooking me up.

SPEAKER_03 36:40

And I'm like, bruh, like that's crazy. Uh it probably made him super happy too. He was like, Hell yeah, I feel like the man.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

Oh, yeah, no, I was just like, anytime he came in, it was just like, all right, well, first one's on me. Here you go.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

Hell yeah. I did the same thing. Like, uh, when he came back in and gave me the and it's complete in box, mind you, the PS4. Like, it's his original PS4. He just gave it to me with a bunch of games, but specifically Bloodborne 2. Not obviously Bloodborne 2. Well, we all hope that happens, but Bloodborne uh, in addition. And I was just looking at him like, all right, well, I'm just gonna buy you 10 free drinks right now. And anytime you come in, I'm just you're you're getting a free drink.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

So, yeah, you just have them in the well. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_03 37:28

Thank you. I get the crosses for you.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

You just show up, bring any of your friends, and if you want to look cool, you just walk up and I just bring you a drink.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

Walk up and snap, you know, and wink, and I'll be like, Yes, sir. Yeah, yes, sir. Like, sir, is there anything else I can get you? You'd be like, No. Mm-hmm. But uh, I think I might be might be his only friend. All right, well, that is the segments, so it's time to get to the this episode's game. This game is something else, man. Um, I'm not sure who submitted this, but luckily, you know what's weird is um this game. So back when we played Bad Mojo, um, this I bought like I bought I didn't realize this. I bought a pack of like point and click games when I bought that. I didn't realize it was like a big discounted whatever thing going on. This game was in there, so I didn't have to rebuy it. I was like, Oh, I already own this game. Okay, cool. That's awesome. And the game I'm speaking of is Harvester on the PC. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 38:30

Yeah! Beats all right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:37

Harvester is a point-and-click adventure game written and directed by Gilbert P. Austin and developed by DigiFX Interactive. It was published for MS DOS, Windows, and Linux. Interesting. That's that's really interesting. In North America for I'm sorry, in North America on September 24th, 1996. Players take on the role of Steve Mason, an 18-year-old man who awakens in a fictional Texas town of Harvest in 1953 with amnesia. Over the next week, he is coerced and manipulated into performing series of tasks with increasingly violent consequences on the behist of the Order of the Harvest Moon, a cult-like organization that seems to dominate the town and which promises to reveal the truth about Steve and how he found himself in harvest. This game is well known for its violent content and its meta commentary. I said meta, I've never said meta before.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

You also said bahiste.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

I know. I was trying to, I know I said that wrong, but I was just trying to just get through it so nobody would notice. Yeah, Bahista. You know, my favorite publisher is Bahista. Um it's meta commentary examination of violence and has garnered a cult following. There's also an enormous nugget of trivia involving this game that we will talk about later. With all that said, oh yeah. Oh, yeah. It's it's it's pretty wild. Let's get into those first impressions. Woo! All right. So um, I actually did a first impression video on this this game in particular. I felt like it was probably the best uh you know candidate for that. So if you want to see that, go check out the Super Garbage Day uh podcast slash YouTube channel. It just says super garbage day podcast as the name, and you can see my first playthrough of this. Uh at least not a first playthrough, but uh impression. Um, if you don't care to do that, that's totally cool. I'll just sum it up. The game is very much a product of its time for sure. Very like mid-90s FMV uh super bonkers. I loved I personally loved how immediately the game drips it in like atmosphere, even if it's very grim and disturbing and kind of off-putting. But you know, for the most part, I was kind of laughing my ass off my first 10 minutes of playing this game, and I knew immediately that was a good sign. Um, what were your first impressions of this game, Mr. Miller?

SPEAKER_02 41:16

Um pretty much the same. Like uh booting it up, just enjoying, I love FMV. It just brings me back to like old Command and Conquer and uh just that era where it was like that was the end all be all where they're just like, no, we're gonna hire real actors and we're just gonna do these batshit videos. Um and then then and then and and then just the trouble you can get yourself into.

SPEAKER_01 41:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:57

And uh and I I this this is this is gonna be like bleeding through, but immediately when I saw that you can type whatever you want uh in like the the dialogue prompts, I'm immediately just like, what can I say to get myself killed? Like also, I do have to point out I laughed hysterically when I saw the main character because this is the JD Vance guy.

SPEAKER_03 42:32

Yes, he looks so much like JD Vance. I'm not alone there. Yeah, he looks exactly like him.

SPEAKER_02 42:38

The entire time I was just like, I'm like, how do I get JD Vance killed? It just seems like it's so funny.

SPEAKER_03 42:47

It it it's it's uncanny because it looks like him, but literally the younger version of him.

SPEAKER_02 42:52

Yeah, it looks like him before we grew a beard. Yes, so like, yeah, and he's like from a small town, and I was just like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 43:03

I thought it was actually him at first. I was like, was he in a game in the 90s? Like, but uh yeah, yeah, it's it's really funny. It's definitely I had the exact same uh attention to detail there as you did, but um, you know, after first impressions, uh, you you play the game, we both played it, and uh let's just talk about the gameplay, okay. This is a point-and-click adventure game with some light combat mechanics, maybe not light. Uh, you play as a character, Steve. He wakes up in the town of Harvest. He has no memory. It seems to be like 1953, whatever that, around that time period. I know it said it in the description, but you don't really know initially when you when you first play the game. And you find out later.

SPEAKER_02 43:54

Um it's it's yeah, it's definitely it's it's like it's like It's literally the Make America Great era.

SPEAKER_03 44:04

Yeah, it's super boomery times.

SPEAKER_02 44:08

It's it's the it's that just after World War II, um maybe post-Korea war era, like it it it's just picket fences and cars with big fins, yeah. So diners and industrial era, right?

SPEAKER_03 44:27

Right before Vietnam for sure. It's it's it's totally that aesthetic. And yeah, and but but the thing is though, you know, your character wakes up, he doesn't know who he is, other than he's clearly JD Vance, and everything feels off immediately, like some kind of purgatorian dystopia parallel universe, and yeah, because he has he has memories of like color TV and and stuff like that, yeah. But he also doesn't know anybody or even himself. You're finding this out through you know dialogue.

SPEAKER_02 45:02

Yeah, I was just saying, like, to like cue up that you know something's wiggity. Because he does remember things, he just doesn't remember anything about this world, right?

SPEAKER_03 45:15

And you find that out immediately by like the first person you talk to is little Hank, which is apparently your little brother, and that's when you really discover okay, this game is obviously at this point with the weird intro that there's like 7,000 credits, which I thought was laughing because I found it to be comical. I was like, This had to be on purpose, that there's no way that they just did this and to be like no reflex, and like put everybody's credit in here. It's it felt very satirical, but when you get into it, there's all this screaming and weird imagery, and then your guy wakes up and you talk to Hank, which is just like I said, supposedly your little brother in the game, and he just starts spouting all this crazy stuff, kind of offloading this like early plot to you. And then you're like, all right, cool. Uh okay, I figured out who I am and who you are. You go into the kitchen, you talk to your mom, um, who apparently is your mom, and then so you start things continue to get a little more unhinged. Ultimately, I'm kind of just going in the story, the early story, but realistically, the gameplay is it's point and click, and it's a detective game, ultimately. You know, there's puzzles, there's there's you have to complete every day, and it's it's very King's Quest. It's King's Quest and a little bit of those like old school um Sherlock Holmes like FMV games. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It has a lot of that, but this is like much more in-depth and more interactive.

SPEAKER_02 46:40

Mixed with uh what was that one that that got panned? Uh that uh like like the the babysitter murder one.

SPEAKER_03 46:49

Oh man, are you talking are you talking about um Night Trap?

SPEAKER_02 46:52

Night night Night Trap, that's what it's called.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

Yeah, I'm surprised because this came out the same time, and they weren't, you know, at the time, I think Joseph Lieberman, I think his name was, was in like the Senate saying, like, we need to ban all video games because of Night Trap. And I'm like, bro, have you played Harvester?

SPEAKER_02 47:10

Like you would well, that's the thing is like PC gaming really slid under the radar for a long time because people who own PCs mostly use them for work, like it was a real hobbyist kind of thing to be a PC gamer because a lot of these games were very unstable and hard to get to run. That's a great point. And uh, like, I mean, even in the I don't know if you read the manual of your copy came with it, but I uh the the one I I got on GOG has the original manual. I didn't read it, and it has all these like should have it has all these like debugging options, and it's like if this doesn't work, you know, do this. It's like like code writing to get this game to work, and I I I even had to do a bunch of stuff to get mine to work um through you know selecting the right shaders and um the right renderer and all that. Um, because there were a million options on my copy.

SPEAKER_03 48:16

Interesting. I I mean I have the GOG copy, but like it was it played fine the entire time. I didn't realize it. Um and I I see your point though, like probably it was a very niche thing to have a PC and then play like an adult, you know, non-pornographic PC game. So it was definitely under the radar, but man, if he wanted to win that case, he should have just brought this game to court.

SPEAKER_02 48:40

Oh god, yeah. Oh, especially especially if you get into the later stages and like some of the yeah. Um there's there is some shit in this game, my guys.

SPEAKER_03 48:55

Like okay, well, it's a point and click game. It's uh I'll talk about this later in graphics and audio, but so they use motion capture, and uh, you know, baby you're you're wandering around or pre-rendered background, you're selecting things, you have like a combat button that just it was funny when you first use it because you just fucking straight uppercut, you know. And you ultimately are just trying to figure out a who you are, why you're there, and learning the town, learning the people, but also a lot of fetch questy stuff going on where you're like, okay, I figured out where the main part is, like the place I need to go, which is the lodge, obviously, is is the place that is like the Illuminati thing, and you you can tell it's in-game area because when you first go there, you have to immediately agree with this really stereotypical, funny, like acolyte type person who's you know, like you can't join unless you fill out a resume or no application, and yeah, yeah, it's an application, but we we should also mention there is one other person in the game who, like you, doesn't know why they're there, doesn't feel like they belong, and and for some reason you are bonded.

SPEAKER_02 50:12

Yeah, Stephanie, like you know, all of the NBCs are just like can't wait for your wedding, and it's just like who why who who is this person? Why am I betrothed to them? What's going on?

SPEAKER_03 50:25

Yeah, and she uh also shares the same uh when you come when you interact with her, you realize that you both are like, we don't know what we're we both have amnesia. I don't know who these people are, I don't know where I am, and yeah, yeah, she's so over sexualized at the same time where you're like, Oh, every scene's gotta be like in lingerie with you, but um, which I think is just a uh, you know, the time.

SPEAKER_02 50:47

Oh, I I I see, I see. I was gonna say, I see you also found the people.

SPEAKER_03 50:52

Man, I mean, there's a lot to talk about too, because like that's miss uh, you know, uh Mr. Uh Potsdam or damn.

SPEAKER_02 50:58

Yeah, how how how spoilery are we gonna get with this?

SPEAKER_03 51:01

I don't know, man, because the game is so weird, and like there's and if we later on when we tell everybody like something else about the game, you know, it's like uh you know, it's such a it's a I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 51:14

I think we should just talk about things because yeah, well, I I I would say like one of the one of the first like horrific things that happen is like your baby sister, so supposed baby sister, just like eats a tarantula and then like a wasp, yeah, wasp on her face, like fly out of her her nose and face and everything.

SPEAKER_03 51:40

It's out there, and her eyes like swell up, and your mom pushes her eyes back in and blood squirts out. Yeah, so listen, guys, this game is fucking unhinged, like probably the most unhinged game I've ever played. Uh, it's there's so much a harp on violence in this game that is campy and egregious and ridiculous, but it fits in this weird world. So you're gonna see things like kids being beat with bats at a school for not for raising their heads during you know uh a nuclear drill. Yeah, you're gonna meet like a character named uh Colonel Buster Munroe, who has no legs, actually is like missing most of his half his body, who has uh the button to a nuke. Literally half his torso, yeah. And he uh, you know, obviously you live in a town that just has nukes, you know, in the middle of it, it's a small town, which I think kind of would make sense in reality. But and he's like, Yeah, I could push this button and just end anything. He's super fucking PSTD, uh PTST.

SPEAKER_02 52:47

But it's so funny that the that whole communist uh discussion where it's like if you if you accidentally like hint that you might be anything but a true red-blooded American shoot you that he just shoots you into goes off the rails and blows you away and then sets off all the nukes and just blows up the whole, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:10

Which I think is probably the speed run. I I I have to look it up. I'm sure that's the there's got to be an any percentage getting nuked, right? But yeah, I mean these characters are ridiculous, and there's so many of them. I mean, you have like Stephanie, like we said, and the Colonel, but then you have like the range rider who's this it's just this cowboy TV star guy that has this show that that obviously Hank, your uh little brother's watching when you first talk to him, and he's just this is the good part, yeah. He's just violent as shit and like uh it's like racist, and he's killing people.

SPEAKER_02 53:50

Like it seems like live on set. He's literally got a line of Native American people looking for jobs, and he just killed them, and it it's it it's because they literally kill them on stage. Yeah, he's like steps in there and it's like all right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:06

It's just like what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 54:09

I mean, there's a there's a lot of what the fucks that happened in this game, but I mean there there's a lot of like cannibalism references, like the entire time I was like, for sure, I was just like, Oh, okay, this sexual abuse in Windows, uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:24

Um there's like murder suicide with that involved children. Uh you know, that's anything it's crazy. Anything that could be offensive is in this game, yes. And what's crazy though is at a time when it was the most offensive, right?

SPEAKER_02 54:41

Like, yeah, right. No, it's like that they were looking to get video games banned.

SPEAKER_03 54:46

Yeah, I'm wondering, yeah, if this was a part of the marketing to like get them out there, they made the most out-of-control game they possibly could.

SPEAKER_02 54:55

This is the game your parents warned you about.

SPEAKER_03 54:58

No, but it for real. So it deserves that title. Like, this game is this would be traumatizing for a child to play. Like, this is one of the few games I think that exists where the ESBR rating would totally was correct here. Like, could no kid under 18 should play this game at that time in the 1996. No way.

SPEAKER_02 55:20

Shit. I'm I'm just like, no, 25 or older, your front or lobe needs to be developed.

SPEAKER_03 55:25

It's yeah, it's it's out there, bro. There's so much. I mean, just the the the grotesque murders and how they all have their own little FMV scenes, too, even though they're really tongue-in-cheek, but they're really like still hyper violent. They're hypergraphic, and the characters all have something off about them. Like I said, uh, you know, Stephanie's dad, he clearly is like an abuser, like he abuses her in this world, and he has a little peephole that where he watches her change and stuff, and and like it's her father, and he's obsessed with meat, you know, and it's just a a gross, awful character. Uh, then you have like Edna and uh her daughter um Karen, which is the literal five-year-old girl, which in this game, when you're following, you're you're playing the game, you're you're collecting the items, you collect a porno mag, and if you go, there's a lot of times in this game, just like I think like King's Quest, where you can fuck up, you know, and it like ends the game. Well, yeah, you can give the porno mag to the kid, and then you immediately get like locked up, but the buildup to it's funny fucked up.

SPEAKER_02 56:34

Like, yeah, it's uh well, even even the correct option for the porno mag is you give it to the jacks off, he just immediately goes and jacks off in the the fucking holding cells. Like a dog with a newspaper, then he gets yeah, it's like bad boy. He made a mess on the the on the the the linens again.

SPEAKER_03 56:57

It was like, oh my god, and that's one of the the the least like controversial scenes is like the deputy jagging off the porn and then like his superior coming in and beating him. So I mean, bro, we're not even talking about like the wasp woman. Like, we there's so many characters I don't even understand her in the game, actually. So this lady.

SPEAKER_02 57:19

Oh, did you did you not kill her?

SPEAKER_03 57:22

I did, and then I found out that you know her big wasp woman.

SPEAKER_02 57:26

She's an actual wasp woman, yeah. She literally is a wasp. Oh no, there are so much there are so many red herrings in this game. It's crazy where it's just weird, weird shit to be weird shit. Like there's a whole quest line involving the um uh the coroner slash mortuary uh hotel. Mortuary slash hotel, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:52

That leads nowhere, it just gets you arrested if you pursue it. But also the um the wasp lady is also the kind of the same thing because it's not like it's it's it's like further lore, but it doesn't affect any bit of the like the gameplay if you want to beat the game, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:06

No, it then and then there no once you get to the lodge, don't even get me started. There's so many quests.

SPEAKER_03 58:13

What a fucking crescendo, you know, uh of this game when you get to the lodge. But before that, you know, you're really just meeting a lot of unkiltered weird characters. I mean, the stereotypes are everywhere. You have fucking the the midget, the the uh the super, the gay firemen that are like the gay firemen, uh yeah, and they call it the house of flame, their fire department. Like, it's just so off the rails, dude.

SPEAKER_02 58:42

You got the crazy farmer who believes in aliens. You got he's not a crazy farmer, he's like a hillbilly, yeah. Um, and then you you got the corrupt cop, you got the principal and the teacher boning each other.

SPEAKER_03 58:58

You you got and beating kids with bats, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:02

The uh um the meat packing plant, which is obviously serving man.

SPEAKER_03 59:07

Well cat and cats at first, and then men, yeah, yeah, and then secret society, like Illuminati people, you know. It's it hits pedophiles everywhere. There's this game is soaked in like the the white underbelly of America, really, right? And it's not this isn't a game where I look at it and play it and be like, Oh, they're genius. I see the message. No, you can tell they were like, let's just do the most offensive shit we possibly can. Let's throw every fucking spaghetti noodle at the wall, make sure it all sticks.

SPEAKER_02 59:36

They they really did. They were just like, even if it doesn't stick, put it back on there, get a stapler and punch it in there until it bleeds.

SPEAKER_03 59:44

It's out of control. Like, especially there's so much, you know. The problem, a big problem with this game, though, such a hyper focus on like children's abuse and death. Where I'm like, Okay, I get it, man. I get the edgy of what you're trying to do here, but like, fuck, it's so much. I even like you know, there's a there's a scene where uh the diner um what's her name? Um well when Edna's kid gets subducted. Edna, yeah, Edna and Karen, yeah, and then you find out that you have to dig up a grave and then you rescue her, and it's Mr. Potsdam? Yes, because he's a he's he's a creepy pedophile, yeah. And yeah, and then they still end up killing themselves. Like, well, it's not a murder suicide, yeah. It's all to get into this goddamn lodge, yeah. And the whole the whole point is, or the the the whole plot is that you have to be a part of this Illuminati secret society, uh, in order to be told or figure out what's going on. And so uh, you know, you do every day, and it you have to complete these different tasks, like for instance, like the getting the fire can and like framing or whatever, you know, figuring out who the artist is, or which actually is interesting to me because the the first day seems like it was like a lot more intricate than the following days to get to like get into the lodge, where I'm like, Oh, they put a lot of effort in the first part, and then they were like, Fuck it, let's just make it easier until you get to like you know the the the end game part.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:03

Well, it it it it has varying uh difficulties. I think that's why there's so many red herring quests, is it's just like ways to trick you up and other ways to just like put in more brutal kills. And they love that that that was their bread and butter for the game, was those fucking brutal FMV kills. Because like the first the first day is very much just like go meet the town, and you basically just do a circuit and talk to every single person in the town, which I did count. And if you notice in the uh intro video, um there are 50, it says population of 51. Yes, if you do if you don't count the people in the lodge, there are 51 characters in the actual uh town. That's including all of the children in the school, even all okay, which I I I found that to be an interesting detail. Like, once you meet everybody by I think it's like day five, you'll have met every single character in the town.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:11

Well, it's not that big of a town, though, too. And we have to also bring up the like I I'm a big fan of the way that they did like the map, yeah. Because you know, you just exit, point-and click exit, and then you just kind of scroll around the map, and it's really explorative, even though it's sometimes it's very obtuse.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:26

I do have some issues with that map though, because um they do have some portions where like a building is only clickable from the right side of the map, but it'll it'll show up on the left side of the map. So like if you're scrolled wrong, um, but that's that's that's a nitpicking.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:45

Well, it's actually not too nitpicky because uh one of the big one of the bigger problems I have with the game is that it does have like a major lack of direction, and there's a lot of like we said earlier, a lot of useless locations and interactions, and so it kind of beckons you be obsessively clicking and doing every possible thing you can to figure out what the next step is, and I think that actually that's that's effects as well. That's part of the genre though, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:12

But I mean, you know, it could what I what I didn't like is the they even say it in the tutorial. Like, if you read like what right when you wake up in your idyllic little 50s bedroom, if you go through all the tips, they even say it's just like you can combine items and use them in weird and wacky ways. It's like no, you can't you can't combine items at all. But it's the whole time. I'm just like, all right, well, if I put this together, then maybe I can make a thing to pop open this lock, and it's just like nah, you just don't have the right item.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:51

And that's a big part. We didn't even talk about the items because you collect a lot of items, you get it from the store or like inventory or in the police station. Um, a lot of weapons. Game has a lot of weapons, and I think there's third 13 inches. And it gives you full board, and they they come with their own like FMV kills. So, like if you decide to just use the weapon on somebody, um, you get to see you get to see the death scene, you know. Uh, and it ranges everywhere from like a chainsaw to obviously like a fire axe to guns, you know. There's shotguns. Did you get the scythe? Yes, I got scythe. Best weapon that I know, it's just fucking one shots everything, especially when you get to the lodge.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:29

So oh, that's also a thing, too, though, is like when it comes to the combat, you can you can literally just run around and just kill everyone.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:39

Yeah, that's why I said it had light. It's it's more of a point and click, but the combat's not it's not good.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:46

It gets it gets hard at the end, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:48

But you also can use something else, like there's for instance, there's uh uh certain person you have to fight in the lodge at a certain level, and you can sit there and blast all you want all day, or you can use a certain item that triggers like an FMV thing, and it makes the fight way easier.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:05

But oh uh, I know who you're talking about, and I didn't do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:09

I don't know why I'm being so secretive, but yeah, it's uh Mr. Potsdam. Yeah, like oh Ms.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:14

Mr. Potsdam, I I was thinking of Kane. Oh, wait, I think you're right. Shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:20

Never mind. Yeah, but you use the uh the uh the hooks instead of like just shitting her blasting, and it does this FMV of you like pulling his eyeballs out, which you can just tell they had a blast making those. Oh no, yeah, that's what I was saying. It's not it's not Kane, yeah. Now I think about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:39

No, uh Kane, there's uh there's a uh an item that it's like a uh that'll play music and it'll like uh stun him. It soothes him, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:51

And then you you could just murder him. That's kind of the the case of when you get to the the lodge because a lodge it's building you up like the whole game. Is pretty much two parts. It's the whole town, the days, and then the lodge. The lodge is like the weird, you know, uh Illuminati, eyes wide shut, societal thing. But once you get in there, you're actually you because the whole point the the first half of the game, you're just trying to do all these fetch quests to just gain access to that. Then when you get in there, it's fucking batshit crazy. Like you're in a kitchen, you're fighting a clown, you're fighting fucking a pedophile. You're it goes and it goes way too long, in my opinion. Like there's just having to kill over and over and over. And I'm like, it does.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:35

Well, it kind of fucked up the immersion a little bit because you know, there's not that you know, obviously, you're not getting immersed in this game, but well, even even before that, it's like when you're first going through like the first couple of days, you're just like, Okay, it's it's all it's like people and it's a weird cult thing. We're figuring this out, and then all of a sudden you go into the sewers and they're just like, That's a demon.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:58

Well, yeah, it's the only time you yeah, you you experience monsters in this the sewer, and then in like just the lodge, and and like the no, uh the cruise is the first like uh like real like humanoid kind of like monster, but it's just like okay, where are we going?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:16

And then by the time you're at like the third level of the lodge, you're just like I would bring it, yeah. Like there's nothing you could do that would surprise me anymore, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:28

And the lodge uh and then they surprise you. Surprise you again, yeah. So you know, in gameplay, we'll just we'll just get to we'll cut to the chase on the ending of the game. Um so if you want to play this game so far, you're you're locked in. Uh skip ahead, I guess five minutes, I don't know. But um, so you come to a crossroads when you get to the film, you you meet the final person, and you realize that you have been in a VR simulation the entire time, and it's built for serial killers to make serial killers, and that and also Stephanie, your wife to be in the game, also is hooked up to it, and that's why she doesn't have her memories, and you have to figure out if you want to kill her. By the way, we didn't even talk about like getting into the lodge and the fucking skull and spine, which it has one of the funniest moments in the game where the the sheriff, you're like, you come to investigate, or you you see oh, and he's just eating no what he says because you find the skull and the the spine covered in blood on Stephanie's bed, and then he's like, Well, she died natural causes, and you're like, Really? He's like, or you can't you can't you can't live naturally without a spine.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:47

I yeah, yeah, no, but I just love that like he's just sitting there just munching on like this cherry cake, and he's just like got it all over his face, and I'm just like yeah, well, it's funny because it's such a stereotypical, like fat, corrupt, you know, small town sheriff. It's like, you know what, I will have another piece of pie, or whatever he's saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:08

And what's funny too is that like next to the spine and the the skull is like this uh this little card that has like the logo for the lodge. So you bring that to the dude, the alkali, to get into it, and he's like, This isn't this actually isn't the invitation, and then you find out later, you have to go back, it's the skull in the spine. That's how you get into it.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:33

But which I don't know, I don't know if you realize that that's actually not that. I mean, obviously, it's not Stephanie's girl. I know, yeah, at the end of the game, you know, she's still alive. Yeah, but that's that's Karen's skull and spine. That's the kid.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:46

That that's Ed Edna's daughter, and we're like who earlier you saw hung, she was dead and hung by her own mother.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:54

So that's well, and and that was actually meant to be the invitation for Mr. Potsdam, not you.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:02

The game has no fucking chill, dude. Yeah, and then you get to choose. Uh, you had to kill Stephanie and um and then go into the real world now as a serial killer because the whole point of it was to make you a serial killer, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:20

That having to kill Stephanie is awful. It takes so fucking long. You have to hit her so many times. Like, you don't get to choose your good weapons either. It's like I'm well, I'm just gonna chainsaw her because it's like instant death. No, the chainsaw is OP though. No, they give you a they give you a baseball bat, and you just have to bludgeon her like over and over 15 times, and the entire time she's just screaming. I mean, it's like this is terrible. That's right. I don't want to do that at the very end of the game. Well, it's just like like out the rest of them, like everybody's awful in this game, even yourself, so and but yeah, but then it's just like okay, now this is getting egregious. Like, do I really have to just click? Because you can't do it fast. No, you you you have to like slowly build it. And that's by design.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:17

Like, okay, you do that purposely, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:20

It's it's it's just like wow. So if you choose to not kill her, then like you both die anyways. They just unplug you from your simulation, and then they simulate like 30 years of life in the six seconds it takes her brain death or whatever, and then you like have a kid and everything, and then you just die of old age. So, either way, you lose bad guys win. Yes, well, every every there's no good guys. It's it's it's just like wow, bummer of a game.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:56

Bummer of a game. Uh, also fucking insane like roller coaster ride the entire time, like just absolutely off the fucking rails. All right, well, let's talk about the graphics and audio. So I appreciate the aesthetics completely of this game. They use this real actors who are motion captured, like just like you know, Mortal Kombat 1. Imagine that. Um, and they are set to pre-rendered backgrounds, and they have different voice actors portraying their characters. It's actually so well done. Like, I was impressed by everything they did for the production level of this. Then I realized they actually like seeked out actors, yeah, and did yeah, you can tell they put a lot of effort into that. I I love the style, and I think like the sound, everything about it, even it being kind of antiquated and old, it's a very approachable game now because the whole retro thing is so now in vogue and cool that like it's it its visuals and its audio is very approachable, even at this day. Um, you know, subject matter is a fucking different story, but I I totally I dug it, I thought it was great. What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:14

Um, I I as somebody in the industry, um, and this particular aspect being my current job, uh, I I I I just cringed at how much blue and green screen I could see around the characters. It just made me laugh. Where I'm like, oh, that was passable back in the day. I would get fired for submitting this.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:39

Oh, yeah. Well, fuck 95, right? 96? Yeah, yeah. But you gotta think, like people seeing this playing this on a video uh on a computer in that time period, pre-internet, really, like that had to be remarkable.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:52

It just made me laugh. Like, wow, this is awful. And I was like, I I have to remember that this game came out before there were standards.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:03

Like also, it's a fucking batshit game, so you know it's uh yeah, it's not trying to win any awards to begin with, but I feel like they did pump a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:12

I mean, the pre-render backgrounds are phenomenal, and the fact that like the pre-renders are very good, and there are some like more surreal areas that are actually like really interesting to look at. Um, if you can stomach all the gross ass sounds, which the sound design in this is very good.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:32

Yeah, it is, it is so disgusting, and and kind of all over the place. You have everything from like uh a stabbing and like guts falling out to like a silly Looney Tunes-esque bonk of a bat and like the spinning, you know, like it's all there, and it was all given attention to detail, and I think it's because they wanted to make something so fucking crazy that that's where they were like, no, no, this has to be good no matter what. Even if people hate this, this part has to be good. The the gore, the visual gore, and the sound design. You can tell they put the most amount of effort into because they wanted it to be fucked up as possible.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:13

Yeah, I I I I really appreciated the music because it it really fit the environments they would put it in.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:21

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:22

Um, I'm actually thinking about stealing the soundtrack to use for like D playlists because it's got some great, like just spooky dungeon sounds and yeah, like droning. Nice, good, like droning atmospheric drink. Um and then there's just areas where I'm like, oh, oh, come on. Like your dad's bedroom.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:47

Oh god. Oh, dude, we didn't even talk about that. Where you find out like your father was just like tied up and it's like a dominatrix thing with your mom, and then she gets weird about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:57

Like, oh dude, okay. I don't know if you tried it, but I went through I was just trying to piss off my mom to see if she didn't stab me with a knife. Um, because they pull that red herring where like if you click over the knives, it's just like knives hanging ominously, and I'm like, she's gotta just like get pissed off and gun you. So I ran through all the curse words, and when I just said fuck to her, she's like, You wanna? I know your dad's out of commission.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:27

I'm like, incestual, yeah. It goes there, dude. Yeah, with her and like uh Mr. Potsham, like, yeah, it's it's it's very fucking yeah, she's and then you see, like it that was probably I don't know if that was before or after you saw the dad bedroom scene, but it makes sense in this fucked up world, this reality of of Harvester, but also you just always being surprised at how fucking far they go, and that was a big one, too. Yeah it's wild, but I think it's a great design game uh from a visual and audio standpoint, and it works. Yeah, the janky graphics work for their time period. This had to look amazing in 1986.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:10

Yeah, my only criticism with the FMVs is a lot of them repeat, yeah. But that's that's a point cloak, you know, but but but they'll do them for different um like responses where it'll just be the exact same thing you just watch with like a completely different dialogue line. And I was like, uh really you I mean you you spent all this time. You should have gone all the way, but again, they want to show you the core.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:48

So all right. Well, I mean, obviously the gameplay section was a lot longer than the graphics and audio section of this episode, but you know, what is there to say? It's a it's a it's a point-and-click full motion video slash motion captured slash pre-rendered background game.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:05

I mean, yeah, if we have anything to talk about, it was the game for sure and the story.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:10

So, you know, let's get to our verdict. What do you and I think about Harvester on the PC? All right, Mr. Miller, I will uh let you go first. What do you think of Harvester?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:25

All right, um, I did really enjoy this game um up until the third level of the lodge. The end of the game gets so bogged down with ridiculous combat that it really just takes it it it really knocked it down. Um it especially because there's no reason for it at that point. It's just like there they basically were just gatekeeping their ending. Um but with all the over-the-top like I was laughing most of the way through. There were a lot of points that made me just be like, ew, this is icky. But you know, I'm we've we've we've we've played games of this caliber before, maybe not as bad shit crazy, but uh Outlast dicks out crazy people is is in in that realm. Um I I would give this a higher rating if it wasn't so gratuitous. I can't fully recommend it just because it is purely going for the gross out just to gross out uh aspect. And it at the end of the day, it didn't really feel like they really had something to say, they were just trying to be offensive. Um, so I I would have given this a solid B, but I'm gonna give it a C minus maybe maybe maybe a C, but I can't like fully approve this game. While it is fun and has some good moments, uh it it was just it was tasteless at times.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:24

What would you give that from a scale of one to a hundred then? Like uh 65?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:29

Uh 67. No, we're gonna give it a solid 69.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:33

69. There we go. All right, fair, fair assumption or uh astute. I also kind of I'm gonna echo a lot of what you said. Um, this is a tough one, actually. Since starting this show, I found out that I actually like point and click adventure games. Um, this game being, in my opinion, one of the most fucked up entries uh of the genre. It is actually extremely well made, in my opinion, and keeps you engaged no matter how out of control and absurd the game gets. However, it is not a game I can recommend to everyone. Um, its subject matter is like top of the tier list you would see in like YouTube about like most disturbing games. It this is by far the most violent and unhinged game I've ever played. And uh just to let you guys know, the main character who played Steve was arrested for child pornography in 2012. So yeah, yeah, yeah. And his actual middle name is Steven, which is funny, and he's wearing the same outfit in the mug shot.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:41

That that's the most insane thing. It was like that guy just dresses like what the he showed up to the casting, he showed up to the casting call, and they were like, Cool. Um, we'll we'll we'll get you a bunch of outfits like that, you know, for the rest of the uh because that's perfect that fits the aesthetic. He's like, No, no, no, don't worry, I already got a killer.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:02

And also, you know what's funny is weird looking at it, it's such a weird serendipitous thing. Because the thing is, anytime you you try to argue with any character in the game about like your amnesia, they say, Oh, Steven, you're always a kidder. And now to find out that the the the person who played him was was a diddler.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:21

It it really makes me question the writer too.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:25

Yes, everything actually. I looked, I even dove a little deep into like the fan base, and they're all kind of um different. And I felt just as uncomfortable as I did watching their videos as as I did playing the game. But outside of that, I can't give this game a good rating based on principle alone. But play it if you want, but just know it's really messed up uh in the game and outside of the game. Um, 50 out of 100. It's enough.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:58

Okay, but you're just giving it an F?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:01

I'm just giving it an F.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:02

I mean, it's uh you know See, I I gave it points on technical merit alone.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:07

I understand.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:08

Because it's like you did the assignment. I just I really don't they did a good job, too. The should they did ever be seen.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:18

The game is well made, in my opinion, and I think it's worth somebody playing who is okay okay to stomach this level of like gratuitous violence and abuse and and and the subject matter and the themes, but you know, it's just the whole aura of the game is off, and it's weird, it's I can't put my finger on it, but yeah, it it's one of those when and when I'm thinking, I'm like, oh, somebody's gonna look at my profile and see that I played this game, and I'll just be like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I had to do it for research. Yeah, to be fair, if if like I didn't realize that you know there was so much controversy outside of the game, I probably would have given it like a B minus. So um, but you know, it is what it is. I think C minus actually is probably uh more astute, but you know, it is what it is. All right, it's time to say one good thing and one bad thing about harvester. Mr. Miller, say one good thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:17

It's got a ripping metal track if you go into the uh lodge's uh den area and change the uh radio.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:25

Yeah, actually, uh the sound uh the the soundtrack's phenomenal. And like you said earlier, like there's even the atmospheric soundtrack to totally works. All right, say one bad thing. The rest of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:41

Perfect.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:42

Um, I think the good is it's really unlike anything I've played, and it just goes hard as hard as it possibly can, which shows some form of like heart and and um the the they committed to the bit. Yeah, they really did. Bad uh way too much abuse and death surrounding children for my stomach. All right, there you go, everybody. Harvester gets a combined score of still F. Um, or I guess D D minus.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:11

Yeah, one one 119.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:13

Yeah, it's not good. Yeah, that's that's a yeah, it's I think it's a D minus. It's like the the cusp, the fringe of D minus.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:22

Yeah, where they're just like, mmm, is he good at football?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:26

We'll let him pass. Yes, for sure. All right, it's time to spin the wheel and see what we play next week. Are you ready for this?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:35

I am ready.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:36

All right, it's time to like Betty Spaghetti. Betty Spaghetti. All right, Mr. Miller, give me the cue.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:44

Spin!

SPEAKER_03 1:26:05

Oh okay. This is uh pleasant surprise. All right, Mr. Miller, are you ready to be depressed? Oh, I thought we were getting some eye bleach. You know what? Uh this game is uh I can already just say it's going to be better. Uh, this is a game we probably both have already played, but now we get to uh do an episode over, and it involves you being an ex-cop with a dead family.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:39

Are we playing Silent Hill 2?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:42

I didn't realize there's so many uh I thought it was gonna be pinpointed. No, sir, we are playing Max Payne, the first one.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:50

Oh, the OG? The OG Max Payne. Oh man, I'm so ready to get my bullet time on. I'm so ready to get my bullet time on.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:58

I'm ready. But also just play it on whatever however you want to. So I'll probably play it on the PC.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:04

I'm gonna get to I'm gonna get I'm gonna I've been can I play the remaster?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:09

I don't care. Go ahead. I didn't know there was a max pain one remaster. When did that happen?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:13

Uh, I'm pretty sure there was a PC remaster in recent era.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:17

I might be wrong. No, that's I hope that exists. I didn't know. Listen, man, I have not been keeping up on Max Payne. So hopefully uh that's the case. I want to thank the patrons. Thank you so much for your donations. Remember, it all goes to the Green Hill Humane Society, which uh supports local animals here in Eugene, Oregon. So thank you. Uh join the Discord, it's free. Small community of like-minded people like Naugs56, and you can add your own retro question of the week and join us in community discussions. All right, Mr. Miller, any parting words?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:51

Don't be like any of the characters in Harvester, and you will have lived a better life than most.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:58

Yes. Harvester. It's definitely a game of all time. Not sure what accolade it uh it should receive. And as usual, never judge a book by its grammar. Have a super garbage A and Cut Two B. Bye.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:17

Thank you for watching with my dad eye. I just want to say everybody, guys, bye.